In the following article, Craig Kreeger is quoted as saying that AA will fly all-coach-class 757s from Boston to Manchester, England. Was he quoted correctly or is AA actually going to fly the route with one of the less-room-throughout-coach 757s?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/busin...nal/8186270.htm

Actually, yes that is exactly what they are going to do. The First Class cabin will still be there and, as I understand it, will be used to upgrade upper-level AAdvantage members and those passengers paying full coach price. However, the only "upgrade" will be the comfort. I believe that there will not be other f/c amenities--like meals, free headsets, etc.

If you recall, some years ago AA flew the 757 JFK to MAN. It didn't last too long for whatever reason.

There was no place to put all the garbage. Seriously

I don't know what the big deal is with this. From Bos to Man must be about 6 hours or so. We used to fly the 757 from Mia to Sea (about the same flight time) with no problems. And headsets are free on all International destinations with the exception of Mexico and the Caribbean in both coach and first

AA also flys the 757 DFW-LIM. Another LOOOOOONG flight in a narrow body!

I do realize that on some 3 class flights we sell the business class as coach and that the first class cabin on some 2 class flights are sold at a business fare, but the big deal for me was the quote. It said that AA will fly an all-coach-class 757 from BOS to MAN and I have not experienced an all coach AA aircraft before. However, if this is actually a 2 class cabin 757 being sold as coach service, then that is not quite as big a deal, although I haven't seen that either.

Does anyone remember a market in which AA sold an entire aircraft as coach service?

This is really a plain old 757 with 22 F seats and 166 Y seats sold as one class. Arpey confirmed (in the recent conference call) that it will just be sold as one class, with elites (EXPs, Plats, Golds) and full fares having first dibbs on the F cabin.

Does it really matter if its a narrow or wide body, the fact is it still has only 2 engines and granted the engine reliability has improved dramaticlly over the years, the possibility still remains for an engine to go out, and when that happens you become a very heavy single engine airplane over a looooooog stretch of H2O. I don't remember what the distance from land is now but I do remember that it has been increasing ever since the Feds allowed 2 engine ops over water.

Exactly right. Nothing different than the phenomenon on, for example, the 777 from DFW MIA in which coach passengers may find themselves in business class seats - without business class service.

Also, the stated idea is to "develop" the route - beginning with satisfying leisure demand - with the possibility of "upgrading" to 2- or even 3-class service in the future...it ain't an "airline within an airline" scheme.

For BOS-MAN, it's really not very far from land at all. Across the Atlantic, the routes that truly go far from land would be, say, MIA-MAD.

Now, Pacific routes are horses of a different color.

Lets hope that if it leaves the same time as the London flight, that somehow the line thru security at BOS will not be the standard 1 hour at that time of night!

Interesting, saw this in the FW Star-Telegram last weekend ... AMR isn't exactly rolling this out with a lot of hooplah, are they?

Depends how far back one goes. Throughout most of the '50s and into the '60s AA had a fair number of DC-6s in all-coach ("T" class) configuration. Affectionately known as "roach coaches", these aircraft could be identified by the extra window at the prop line (where galleys were in the FC aircraft). After the 707s and Electras entered service in '59, some DC-7s were also converted to all-coach.

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The big difference with flying BOS-MAN is even though it is just about the same flight time of the West Coast, the service is still going to be International Flagship Service, that means a full dinner service followed by Duty Free ( it use to be 2 carts but I suspect that may be cut to one for this flight) followed by a light breakfast on a tray. It is going to be a tight fit on the 757 as far as trash goes. There really isn't any extra carts.

The problem I see from seating passengers in a first class seat and giving them coach service is the same one we see when a 3 class is sold as a 2 class, even though they are told it is a coach service, they expect all the amenities of the seat, coats hung, free drinks, free headsets and better meals and then make the "I can't believe American Airlines treats their Business Class customers this way" comments.

Mike-BOS

What is so exciting & NEW about a 757 from BOS-MAN? It done every day by CAL from EWR to Europe. This new "concept" AA is trying won't be tried from ORD or DFW so its rather limited. It sound like a "roach coach" to me. Better service on AA from Miami to South America.

Yes, it was a 707, but it was called TWA then.

TWA also had all-coach Constellations in the 50s/60s, just as American had their all-coach Sixes and sevens (DC-6/DC-7)

Were the all-coach TW 707s pre- or post-deregulation? Don't recall them.

MGA707- We had 707 all coach service from Chigago to the West Coast in the early eighties. We also did charters on these 707 all coach configuration.

MAN has never been a money maker for any airline. MAN is full of "blue collar" type families and they will not pay a premium to fly.

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There are some markets where the blue collar worker is the one that brings in the money for the airlines.

I am booked BOS-MAN on a June flight. I detest the 757 as the most uncomfortable AAircraft in the fleet, back or front, even when it had MRTC.

I'm PLT so snagged a seat upfront. I pity those who will be in the now-LRTC rear. I would not have even considered such a flight if I was not confirmed forward. I doubt even "blue-collar" pax will make this route a winner with this AC. The fares when I booked were even higher than the LHR fares. No promotion for this new route. But MAN is where I need to be; and LHR has dropped off of my favorite list for O&R - and forget a transfer!

Am going surface to the Continent where I will be able to again (Hallelujah) fly AA from BRU to JFK (with an upgrade)!

BTW, why didn't the renewed JFK-BRU-JFK flights get the previous numbers of AA98-AA99?

Upsilon,

AA98 and AA99 are now used for the late night departure from ORD to LHR and the early morning departure from LHR to ORD. 99 usually only operates in the summer, and 98 usually operates year round except for a month or 2 to keep slots.

I think the B737 is even worth.

Worth what?

Worth than a B757!

Do you mean worse?